I did not like Ray Franz. The reasons are personal. But, he is the only one of the Governing Body to have apolgized immediately after the event. For that, I had huge respect for him. I wish I still had the tape. He spoke to a large gathering in the Pacific Northwest in 1977 as I recall.
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Ray Franz blamed for 1975 false prophecy
by EndofMysteries ini was raised a jw and as a kid my family made brief mention of apostates in bethel that falsely prophecied about 1975 and were kicked out of bethel.
i was shocked after i got out and learned that him being removed had absolutely nothing to do with 1975. i think that partial lie spread is what kept my relatives in.
1975 a big let down/false prophecy, then they are told that a governing body member and many in bethel are found apostate and cleaned out, etc.
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Ray Franz blamed for 1975 false prophecy
by EndofMysteries ini was raised a jw and as a kid my family made brief mention of apostates in bethel that falsely prophecied about 1975 and were kicked out of bethel.
i was shocked after i got out and learned that him being removed had absolutely nothing to do with 1975. i think that partial lie spread is what kept my relatives in.
1975 a big let down/false prophecy, then they are told that a governing body member and many in bethel are found apostate and cleaned out, etc.
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Fred Franz was the responsible party. Witnesses would be better off today if he'd been disfellowshipped for apostacy.
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Anyone have a transcript of the Photodrama of Creation?
by ILoveTTATT ini would love it if someone had a transcript (a text of the spoken words in the video) of the photodrama of creation!.
that would be amazing help in my little project!.
(i already looked in the search function in jwn... didn't find anything)... if someone knows about a thread, that would be appreciated.. thanks!.
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There was no video. It was a slide show with short bits of silent film. The text of the syncronized recordings is in the Photo Drama book. The slide show is found on youtube. The book has been reprinted. Originals show up on ebay.
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Has anyone else observed how the elderly JWs are neglected?
by Joepublisher1 ini know there are exceptions to this (by good-hearted jws), but has anyone else noticed how some jws (even those who are pios, elders, etc.
) neglect the needs of their elderly parents?
(what i have seen is some jws hiding behind the fact that they are very busy in spiritual matters, too busy, to help their elderly parents with chores around their house, yet they find plenty of time for their own selfish pursuits.
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Being elderly and still being considered a witness, I experience this first hand. My wife who is slightly older than I am attends regularly. She's infirm, as am I. Other than doctrinal nonsense, abuse and neglect of fellow witnesses is one of my "hot-button" issues. As the elders age and few young ones take there place, this issue will grow.
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JW Mission = Find all checker floors in WT publications
by bytheirworks inyour mission... should you choose to accept it, will be to find all checker floors in the watchtower publications, especially those involving worship.. .
if you can upload them here, great.
i don't know to upload a pic from my computer on this site.
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Typos are allowed on the boards. Yes, it explains everything about me. And your comment explains everything about you.
You’re untrained, under-educated, and you have no concept of evidential worth. You resent people who are educated, can think rationally, and who might challenge your moronic thinking.
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JW Mission = Find all checker floors in WT publications
by bytheirworks inyour mission... should you choose to accept it, will be to find all checker floors in the watchtower publications, especially those involving worship.. .
if you can upload them here, great.
i don't know to upload a pic from my computer on this site.
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Old Goat
The temples all had stone floors in the courtyard. They would be "checkered" by default. There is no rational thought behind this claim.
The uiniversity where I teach has checkered floors in the cafeteria and in the commons. I'm betting that the bad food is a masonic conspiracy.
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What is the stand/view of the JWs regarding the Illuminati and conspiracy theory?
by UBM101 ini mean.... are the dubs pretty much supporters of the conspiracy theory (watching videos, researching etc) or do they avoid such materials/topics?
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The Watchtower replaces "HUMAN" conspiracy theories with the belief that Satan is the prince of the power of the air and all human governments are controled by demons. But some Witnesses, already being fruitcakes, buy into all the other conspiracy theories too.
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JW Mission = Find all checker floors in WT publications
by bytheirworks inyour mission... should you choose to accept it, will be to find all checker floors in the watchtower publications, especially those involving worship.. .
if you can upload them here, great.
i don't know to upload a pic from my computer on this site.
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If you wear your coat inside out and backwards the fairies won't see you. Look for backwards clothes too. Also look for pictures of horses with tangled mains. Pixie ridden. All demonic.
My assessment is that the same lack of logical thinking that led you into the Watchtower is leading you to this.
Oh, one last thought. The restroom floors in the NY Times are tiled with square tiles. I'm fairly certain that means they're part of a vast Masonic consipiracy, or that the tiles were cheap and nice.
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Unwanted Books/Brochures
by rod.henderson inif anyone has any unwanted jw books or brochures let me know.
not really in a position to buy them from you but i could cover postage maybe?
my jw friend says she'll get me copies of things but never does.. apologies if here was the wrong forum place for this post.. .
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Dear Nathan,
I'm interested. ... Very interested.
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Unwanted Books/Brochures
by rod.henderson inif anyone has any unwanted jw books or brochures let me know.
not really in a position to buy them from you but i could cover postage maybe?
my jw friend says she'll get me copies of things but never does.. apologies if here was the wrong forum place for this post.. .
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From Schulz and de Vienne, rough draft on their private blog:
A. H. Macmillan’s Claims
A. H. Macmillan reported a claim made by “Pittsburgh newspapers” that Russell “was on the Sixth Street bridge dressed in a white robe on the night of the Memorial of Christ’s death, expecting to be taken to heaven.” We could not find the original of this newspaper report, though we do not doubt its existence. The fact of the report is interesting, but the conclusions many have drawn from it are distorted. The report, no matter who printed it, was long removed from the events of 1878. Macmillan’s association dates from 1900. [1] The newspaper article could be no older than that and is probably dated later, perhaps after 1906. As Macmillan has it, Russell’s reaction was to laugh “heartily” and say:
I was in bed that night between 10:30 and 11:00 P.M. However, some of the more radical ones might have been there, but I was not. Neither did I expect to be taken to heaven at that time, for I felt there was much work to be done preaching the Kingdom message to the peoples of the earth before the church would be taken away. [2]
One should dispose of the ascension-robe claim first. It was an old, often-repeated calumny. Everyone with clearly defined end-of-the age expectations was subject to it, though there is not one verifiable instance. It is especially out of place when applied to Russell. He expected a change to a spirit body, making any self-made ascension robe irrelevant. He understood the “white robes” of Revelation 6:11 to be symbolic, not literal. That he or any of the Pittsburgh believers dressed in robes is a newspaper reporter’s lie. The story delights Russell’s enemies who discount his denial, and others simply repeat it, believing it to be accurate because it saw print.
If Macmillan reports Russell’s belief that “there was much work to be done” and that he didn’t “expect to be taken to heaven at that time” with any sort of accuracy, then we must presume his doubts to have arisen in the last weeks before April 1878. Any time prior to the spring of 1878, we find Russell and Barbour believing with equal fervor that translation impended. [3] It is apparent that he believed and preached that translation was due. Taken as a whole, this seems a very unreliable report. But we come away from it noting two things: There was among the Pittsburgh brethren a “more radical” party; they were somewhat fragmented.
We see Macmillan’s claim that Russell did not expect translation and that he saw a vast field of work ahead as wrong. Russell wrote that “since 1878 (and never before that) we have felt at liberty to call God’s children out of the nominal churches to a position … where they would be free to serve Him fully.”[4] This clearly dates his vision of a vast work to after the disappointment. He also, as we shall see, expected translation in the spring of 1878.
[1] A. H. Macmillan: Faith on the March, Prentice-Hall, Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey, 1957, page 42.
[2] A. H. Macmillan: Faith on the March, page 27.
[3] C. T. Russell: A Conspiracy Exposed and Harvest Siftings, Zion’s Watch Tower, special edition, Apriil 25, 1894, pages 103-104. The Prospect, Herald of the Morning, July 1878, page 11.
[4] C. T. Russell: The Year 1881, Zion’s Watch Tower, May 1881, page 5.
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